In case you are posting back to my post please note he has "before god" written there. And that is what I am having trouble with.........

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The victories from those skilled in warfare are not considered of great wisdom or courage, because their victories have no miscalculations
- SUN-TZU

Sorry Vapirehunter42, that statement I made was only what I could recall from a book somewhere, i didnt know for sure, but I found the book, "Drawing and painting fantasy beasts", It had the leviathan in it and some information and what it says, now I have checked it again is.. " the leviathan is a primordial creature that has existed since pre-Old testament times and supposedly lived long before God created Earth."
I had previously known nothing about the leviathan and had remebered this statement briefly, thats all. Sorry if I messed anyones ideas up with my own mistake
oh, and im a she Vampirehunter42... (My fault, I chose a weird name, would change it if i could... )

Sorry about that, normaly I put "he/she/it/they" when I don't know.

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The victories from those skilled in warfare are not considered of great wisdom or courage, because their victories have no miscalculations
- SUN-TZU

I'm with Draconic_Chronicler on Dragons being Seraphim. So therefore Satan isn't a Dragon, as Satan was a Cherubim.

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Formerly DragonRider. Almost teenage me could have been more imaginative with names.

Given that the Bible is the biggest storage system for fallacies and metaphors ever created, it's rather surprising to me that biblical dragons would be anything different from the psychological dragons of Carl Sagan's "Dragons of Eden". Dragons are everything that people back then feared, and it's not surprising that something that they wanted to be viewed as evil would culminate in being represented as such.